1 00:00:06,210 --> 00:00:04,190 this is David Marler UFO researcher and 2 00:00:11,150 --> 00:00:06,220 you're listening to that UFO podcast 3 00:00:15,890 --> 00:00:13,910 everyone and welcome back to that UFO 4 00:00:17,450 --> 00:00:15,900 podcast I almost forgot the name of it 5 00:00:20,090 --> 00:00:17,460 there for a second I shouldn't read and 6 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:20,100 speak at the same time it's a bit of an 7 00:00:24,170 --> 00:00:22,260 end of year breakdown and joining me for 8 00:00:26,450 --> 00:00:24,180 it as always to provide his expert 9 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:26,460 analysis that's his own words I've got 10 00:00:30,290 --> 00:00:28,380 Dan Dan welcome back 11 00:00:31,910 --> 00:00:30,300 hello hello that was my own words 12 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:31,920 actually read in a review that you wrote 13 00:00:37,130 --> 00:00:34,800 for me so you know Ted fields 14 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:37,140 I never wrote it I I checked it for a 15 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:38,640 copy didn't I just to check this film is 16 00:00:40,549 --> 00:00:39,840 okay but yeah I think I've done it all 17 00:00:42,290 --> 00:00:40,559 right 18 00:00:44,150 --> 00:00:42,300 um listen I'm as you said earlier before 19 00:00:45,770 --> 00:00:44,160 we hit record I'm glad we delayed this 20 00:00:48,110 --> 00:00:45,780 one a few days because a few things have 21 00:00:50,029 --> 00:00:48,120 actually happened regarding the what we 22 00:00:53,150 --> 00:00:50,039 were going to lead with was a very short 23 00:00:54,709 --> 00:00:53,160 recap on the ndaa passing which we 24 00:00:56,930 --> 00:00:54,719 talked about previously on our breaking 25 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:56,940 news podcast it's been the kind of main 26 00:01:02,090 --> 00:01:00,000 story on on the UFO social medias that 27 00:01:03,770 --> 00:01:02,100 the National Defense authorization act 28 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:03,780 bill which is largely you know 29 00:01:08,030 --> 00:01:05,760 warmongering and other stuff 30 00:01:10,670 --> 00:01:08,040 um did have a section for UFO UAP 31 00:01:12,770 --> 00:01:10,680 language that was going to pass it has 32 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:12,780 now officially been passed and it will 33 00:01:15,770 --> 00:01:14,700 basically get put into law in the coming 34 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:15,780 days 35 00:01:21,410 --> 00:01:18,240 um if if past actions and Acts or 36 00:01:23,330 --> 00:01:21,420 anything to go by however there was a a 37 00:01:24,950 --> 00:01:23,340 bit of a carfuffle to use a classic 38 00:01:29,929 --> 00:01:24,960 British phrase in the last couple of 39 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:29,939 days and um the dod had uh well I'll be 40 00:01:34,249 --> 00:01:31,560 calling it I've seen it called uh media 41 00:01:36,050 --> 00:01:34,259 Roundtable a conference call you know um 42 00:01:37,730 --> 00:01:36,060 I'm not too sure what to actually call 43 00:01:40,730 --> 00:01:37,740 it then but what would you say they had 44 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:40,740 media q a I would say this was the one 45 00:01:45,710 --> 00:01:42,720 time where using the word briefing was 46 00:01:47,929 --> 00:01:45,720 was absolutely on point uh I would say a 47 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:47,939 phone telephone briefing 48 00:01:52,490 --> 00:01:51,119 yeah and what they've done was invite a 49 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:52,500 selection of journalists from different 50 00:01:56,870 --> 00:01:54,960 Outlets including uh Chris sharp from 51 00:01:58,490 --> 00:01:56,880 laboration times was there you had John 52 00:02:00,710 --> 00:01:58,500 Greenwald from The Black Vault was there 53 00:02:02,929 --> 00:02:00,720 and some others that people may or may 54 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:02,939 not know their names so 55 00:02:07,490 --> 00:02:06,540 Ross kiltart commented on this and I'm 56 00:02:08,870 --> 00:02:07,500 just going to start with this actually 57 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:08,880 then because we've kept this format 58 00:02:11,809 --> 00:02:10,380 pretty close haven't we for updates but 59 00:02:13,729 --> 00:02:11,819 yeah yeah I found this the most 60 00:02:16,850 --> 00:02:13,739 entertaining at least update of all of 61 00:02:19,790 --> 00:02:16,860 them that Ross kotart mentioned that um 62 00:02:22,610 --> 00:02:19,800 so off the back of stand for better.org 63 00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:22,620 they had mentioned that the dod 64 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:24,239 and I'll just quote actually our 65 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:25,980 official sources on Capitol Hill just 66 00:02:29,869 --> 00:02:27,720 confirmed that as of the end of business 67 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:29,879 today uh that was a couple of days ago 68 00:02:33,410 --> 00:02:31,800 now so middle of December none of the 69 00:02:35,690 --> 00:02:33,420 congressional committees have received 70 00:02:38,449 --> 00:02:35,700 the pentagon's classified report on uaps 71 00:02:40,610 --> 00:02:38,459 UFOs that was due October 31st so 72 00:02:42,589 --> 00:02:40,620 Capitol Hill have said yep so that 73 00:02:44,690 --> 00:02:42,599 report that is rumored to maybe have 74 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:44,700 been put out but still not released to 75 00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:46,500 the public Etc still hasn't been 76 00:02:49,850 --> 00:02:48,420 received by anyone so it's not been 77 00:02:52,190 --> 00:02:49,860 submitted 78 00:02:54,589 --> 00:02:52,200 um off the back of that Ross kulthat 79 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:54,599 commented and again I've quote strange 80 00:02:59,330 --> 00:02:56,879 that the dod Arrow finds the time to 81 00:03:01,790 --> 00:02:59,340 allow some tightly limited media queues 82 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:01,800 questions or new APS but it still hasn't 83 00:03:07,369 --> 00:03:05,340 explained why a statutorily required UAP 84 00:03:09,890 --> 00:03:07,379 accountability report is now weeks 85 00:03:11,990 --> 00:03:09,900 overdue and why a congress demanded it 86 00:03:14,509 --> 00:03:12,000 now that that demanded it now appears 87 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:14,519 unconcerned uh hashtag controlling the 88 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:16,260 narrative and you know what I think a 89 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:18,060 lot of people would maybe Echo Roscoe 90 00:03:22,910 --> 00:03:20,340 tax sentiments to kick off Dan that 91 00:03:24,770 --> 00:03:22,920 as Congress that for a while seemed 92 00:03:26,690 --> 00:03:24,780 really to have the bit between their 93 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:26,700 teeth for this and really to be 94 00:03:31,550 --> 00:03:29,459 aggressively pursuing this especially 95 00:03:33,949 --> 00:03:31,560 you know the representatives like 96 00:03:36,589 --> 00:03:33,959 Gallagher and such who are really on the 97 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:36,599 ball in the Congressional hearing where 98 00:03:41,149 --> 00:03:38,700 they almost attacked multi Embry at 99 00:03:43,490 --> 00:03:41,159 times it appears on the public face of 100 00:03:44,570 --> 00:03:43,500 things I've taken a step back and they 101 00:03:47,149 --> 00:03:44,580 just aren't pursuing this as 102 00:03:49,550 --> 00:03:47,159 aggressively as happened before what 103 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:49,560 what's your interview on this 104 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:51,420 yeah I don't think that's wrong at all 105 00:03:55,729 --> 00:03:53,760 the the thing to remember here is the 106 00:03:58,670 --> 00:03:55,739 legislation that we've got coming in is 107 00:04:00,410 --> 00:03:58,680 allows a lot more leverage in terms of 108 00:04:02,149 --> 00:04:00,420 demanding that report can be produced 109 00:04:03,589 --> 00:04:02,159 sooner rather than later 110 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:03,599 and 111 00:04:08,030 --> 00:04:06,180 so I feel like these officials were kind 112 00:04:09,949 --> 00:04:08,040 of treading water until this legislation 113 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:09,959 passes which you know it's past the 114 00:04:14,089 --> 00:04:12,720 house it's past the Congress now it goes 115 00:04:16,129 --> 00:04:14,099 to the president's desk I think it'll be 116 00:04:18,770 --> 00:04:16,139 signed around the 31st of December like 117 00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:18,780 it was last year but until that had 118 00:04:21,890 --> 00:04:21,120 passed they don't really have any you 119 00:04:23,749 --> 00:04:21,900 know 120 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:23,759 tactics and prop channels they can 121 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:25,740 strong on through as soon as that passes 122 00:04:28,969 --> 00:04:27,360 I bet we'll see them coming back again 123 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:28,979 and kind of asking questions more 124 00:04:34,010 --> 00:04:30,240 publicly 125 00:04:36,050 --> 00:04:34,020 a lot in the ndaa as well was changed by 126 00:04:39,710 --> 00:04:36,060 people like Gallagher and folks like 127 00:04:41,390 --> 00:04:39,720 that so whilst they have been quiet they 128 00:04:44,030 --> 00:04:41,400 have been working behind the scenes as 129 00:04:45,650 --> 00:04:44,040 well so it's kind of you know swing 130 00:04:47,330 --> 00:04:45,660 swings around about I wish they were 131 00:04:49,370 --> 00:04:47,340 more vocal about it so that the media 132 00:04:50,749 --> 00:04:49,380 would talk about it more but at the same 133 00:04:53,930 --> 00:04:50,759 time 134 00:04:56,150 --> 00:04:53,940 now once this ndaa passes they they have 135 00:04:59,870 --> 00:04:56,160 a bit more that they can strong arm the 136 00:05:01,249 --> 00:04:59,880 report out of the organizations with 137 00:05:03,110 --> 00:05:01,259 so 138 00:05:05,330 --> 00:05:03,120 roughing off the top of my head here 139 00:05:06,890 --> 00:05:05,340 like any good host would do 140 00:05:08,270 --> 00:05:06,900 and that this is me asking you that's 141 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:08,280 genuinely I'm not written this down and 142 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:09,840 folkestan hasn't prepared an answer for 143 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:11,220 this so he might go uh but you'll 144 00:05:16,010 --> 00:05:13,680 probably know was it almost premature 145 00:05:18,409 --> 00:05:16,020 then to have that report have a deadline 146 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:18,419 of the 31st of October was that almost 147 00:05:22,370 --> 00:05:20,220 an aesthetic thing that that deadline 148 00:05:24,170 --> 00:05:22,380 was there because it's not really meant 149 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:24,180 anything has it I mean you yourself then 150 00:05:31,450 --> 00:05:26,460 you had a lovely graphic and countdown 151 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:34,249 yeah but it wasn't just just you that I 152 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:35,520 mean you've done that because you 153 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:37,080 counted down to a date that we all 154 00:05:41,330 --> 00:05:39,360 expected to have this report by you then 155 00:05:42,890 --> 00:05:41,340 had other really real thought of 156 00:05:44,990 --> 00:05:42,900 journalists and others reporting that 157 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:45,000 there may be October surprises hinting 158 00:05:49,129 --> 00:05:46,620 at something big coming 159 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:49,139 which I never and you saw as well we 160 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:50,580 never had any hint of anything because 161 00:05:54,129 --> 00:05:52,800 there wasn't anything either was it but 162 00:05:56,749 --> 00:05:54,139 no 163 00:05:57,710 --> 00:05:56,759 really ultimately meant yeah I mean 164 00:05:58,909 --> 00:05:57,720 there may have been something and 165 00:06:00,770 --> 00:05:58,919 nothing happened 166 00:06:02,629 --> 00:06:00,780 etc etc but yeah there was never 167 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:02,639 anything like you know Sinister in the 168 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:04,380 background that we heard of and it just 169 00:06:08,450 --> 00:06:06,060 seemed to be that it came and went so 170 00:06:10,969 --> 00:06:08,460 the date really meant nothing and there 171 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:10,979 isn't any accountability 172 00:06:14,390 --> 00:06:13,080 I just wondered is there anything you 173 00:06:16,010 --> 00:06:14,400 think would be happening in the 174 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:16,020 background that would 175 00:06:19,550 --> 00:06:17,880 maybe make sure this doesn't happen 176 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:19,560 again or is it really going to be the 177 00:06:24,529 --> 00:06:22,500 case at the language put into this ndaa 178 00:06:26,809 --> 00:06:24,539 is like you say is going to strengthen 179 00:06:28,610 --> 00:06:26,819 the in future those deadlines actually 180 00:06:32,150 --> 00:06:28,620 mean something 181 00:06:34,490 --> 00:06:32,160 the the deadline was in the NDA for last 182 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:34,500 year and if I remember correctly it was 183 00:06:41,090 --> 00:06:38,400 directed at either the uaptf or aoi MSG 184 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:41,100 so on a technicality they can say well 185 00:06:45,170 --> 00:06:42,720 you know that deadline wasn't for Arrow 186 00:06:47,930 --> 00:06:45,180 therefore we didn't miss anything 187 00:06:50,270 --> 00:06:47,940 um in the briefing they were emphasizing 188 00:06:51,770 --> 00:06:50,280 that Arrow was a new organization and 189 00:06:54,350 --> 00:06:51,780 they were just kind of start starting to 190 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:54,360 find their fees so I I think that 191 00:06:57,950 --> 00:06:56,220 they're kind of leaning on the side of 192 00:06:59,870 --> 00:06:57,960 well we just haven't had time to look at 193 00:07:01,309 --> 00:06:59,880 this properly there were a few startling 194 00:07:02,930 --> 00:07:01,319 things in the briefing as well but they 195 00:07:04,390 --> 00:07:02,940 were saying that go for it 196 00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:04,400 um Arrow 197 00:07:09,950 --> 00:07:07,139 were kind of look re-looking of the data 198 00:07:11,870 --> 00:07:09,960 that uaptf had and and standardized in 199 00:07:13,730 --> 00:07:11,880 it and I found that quite Trucking 200 00:07:16,670 --> 00:07:13,740 actually because you know what the hell 201 00:07:18,590 --> 00:07:16,680 quite frankly have uaptf in it and aim 202 00:07:20,029 --> 00:07:18,600 to have been doing if they haven't been 203 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:20,039 kind of looking at the data or 204 00:07:24,830 --> 00:07:21,660 formatting it properly and making a 205 00:07:26,749 --> 00:07:24,840 decent database at UAP encounters 206 00:07:28,850 --> 00:07:26,759 um it was surprising I'm glad that it's 207 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:28,860 happened don't get me wrong but you know 208 00:07:32,210 --> 00:07:30,120 what have they been doing for the past 209 00:07:33,770 --> 00:07:32,220 two years 210 00:07:35,629 --> 00:07:33,780 but I think this is the thing that we've 211 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:35,639 not really known and I also do 212 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:37,740 understand and not to sound like I'm you 213 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:39,120 know sticking up for them or making 214 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:40,740 excuses but we've discussed before 215 00:07:45,890 --> 00:07:43,139 haven't we that has not been plain 216 00:07:47,870 --> 00:07:45,900 sailing it's not as if uh a large team 217 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:47,880 of people have been set up they've had a 218 00:07:50,689 --> 00:07:49,020 lot of really 219 00:07:51,770 --> 00:07:50,699 a lot of funding they've had a lot of 220 00:07:53,330 --> 00:07:51,780 time 221 00:07:55,010 --> 00:07:53,340 and there's been a lot of coming and 222 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:55,020 going hasn't there as well 223 00:07:58,249 --> 00:07:55,680 um 224 00:07:59,390 --> 00:07:58,259 even just politically there always seems 225 00:08:00,710 --> 00:07:59,400 to have been something else has come up 226 00:08:02,809 --> 00:08:00,720 and well that may have been their jobs 227 00:08:04,370 --> 00:08:02,819 we don't even know that most of the 228 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:04,380 folks who have been aligned to this at 229 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:07,080 any one time have been working solely on 230 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:09,960 this either so you know for example Dr 231 00:08:13,610 --> 00:08:12,060 Sean Kirkpatrick does he have other 232 00:08:15,469 --> 00:08:13,620 duties outside of this role at the 233 00:08:17,450 --> 00:08:15,479 moment but even then he's going to other 234 00:08:19,450 --> 00:08:17,460 people for information that might be 235 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:19,460 caught up in all sorts of other things 236 00:08:24,350 --> 00:08:22,560 and well we want the UFO subject to be 237 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:24,360 Forefront of everyone's mind there's 238 00:08:28,490 --> 00:08:26,580 been the pandemic there's been the war 239 00:08:30,350 --> 00:08:28,500 in Ukraine there's been you know Chinese 240 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:30,360 spying all that kind of stuff that goes 241 00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:33,240 on and it just no doubt takes a massive 242 00:08:38,149 --> 00:08:36,000 step onto the back burner frustratingly 243 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:38,159 doesn't it and all of that combined with 244 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:40,680 red tape bureaucracy and just 245 00:08:45,230 --> 00:08:43,140 obfuscation that we know goes on 246 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:45,240 makes it really really hard to get these 247 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:47,040 things going without there being a 248 00:08:50,810 --> 00:08:48,959 consistent time period a consistent 249 00:08:52,910 --> 00:08:50,820 Department can consistency of people 250 00:08:54,290 --> 00:08:52,920 working on that to make sure the work's 251 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:54,300 actually getting done and even the 252 00:08:58,550 --> 00:08:55,920 consistency of a mandate to make sure 253 00:09:01,009 --> 00:08:58,560 it's being taken seriously 254 00:09:02,930 --> 00:09:01,019 yeah I I think that's absolutely right 255 00:09:06,889 --> 00:09:02,940 um a lot of this is kind of innocuous 256 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:06,899 just red tape like you say but hopefully 257 00:09:11,810 --> 00:09:09,060 going forward now 258 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:11,820 Dr Sean Kirkpatrick will start having 259 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:13,980 those reports ready on the October dates 260 00:09:18,710 --> 00:09:15,600 and things like that because dates are 261 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:18,720 specified in this new ndaa and that that 262 00:09:23,570 --> 00:09:20,160 brief into me you know they didn't do 263 00:09:25,250 --> 00:09:23,580 that briefing with uaptf or aim talk so 264 00:09:27,530 --> 00:09:25,260 it's kind of starting off on the right 265 00:09:30,230 --> 00:09:27,540 foot as much as there was some you know 266 00:09:32,690 --> 00:09:30,240 kind of Brotherly Nadine from Moultrie 267 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:32,700 uh to to Sean when he was kind of saying 268 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:35,160 certain things uh for example Chris 269 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:37,440 sharp asked about anomalous movements 270 00:09:41,810 --> 00:09:40,080 being recorded and Sean Kirkpatrick just 271 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:41,820 straight up said yes yes we have cases 272 00:09:45,829 --> 00:09:43,860 of that at which point Moultrie jumped 273 00:09:48,230 --> 00:09:45,839 in and said oh yeah but Sean you know 274 00:09:50,210 --> 00:09:48,240 let's emphasize that these are Center 275 00:09:51,889 --> 00:09:50,220 errors and some other things and blah 276 00:09:53,570 --> 00:09:51,899 blah blah and it just felt a bit to me 277 00:09:54,590 --> 00:09:53,580 like uh you know strong arm in the 278 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:54,600 direction you know when you get in 279 00:09:58,370 --> 00:09:55,920 trouble with your parents and your big 280 00:09:59,870 --> 00:09:58,380 uh bigger the older sibling is like no 281 00:10:01,310 --> 00:09:59,880 stick to this story don't don't tell 282 00:10:02,930 --> 00:10:01,320 them the real thing 283 00:10:04,850 --> 00:10:02,940 um it felt a little bit you see on that 284 00:10:07,070 --> 00:10:04,860 that was one that stood out to me 285 00:10:10,009 --> 00:10:07,080 because I would also find it fascinating 286 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:10,019 or troubling that the nation with the 287 00:10:14,509 --> 00:10:11,940 biggest defense Budget on the planet you 288 00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:14,519 know trillions of dollars has these 289 00:10:19,970 --> 00:10:16,860 fantastic sensor systems that they keep 290 00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:19,980 classified so tightly that they're 291 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:22,740 getting pretty basic errors it sounds 292 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:24,480 like showing really strange and 293 00:10:28,610 --> 00:10:26,940 wonderful things when are these things 294 00:10:30,829 --> 00:10:28,620 not tracking missiles coming into the 295 00:10:33,470 --> 00:10:30,839 country tracking devices spying on the 296 00:10:35,570 --> 00:10:33,480 country you know tracking space debris 297 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:35,580 satellites you know surely we hear about 298 00:10:39,650 --> 00:10:37,320 how wonderful that they can track a 299 00:10:41,210 --> 00:10:39,660 baseball from space you don't take a 300 00:10:44,090 --> 00:10:41,220 picture of it in a two foot by two foot 301 00:10:45,769 --> 00:10:44,100 box yeah it seemed to almost throw it 302 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:45,779 out there as if yeah but it was almost 303 00:10:50,509 --> 00:10:48,240 commenting how glitchy their own 304 00:10:51,829 --> 00:10:50,519 technology is which I just I just don't 305 00:10:54,350 --> 00:10:51,839 buy that at all 306 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:54,360 yeah you can understand if it was under 307 00:10:57,829 --> 00:10:56,040 testing you know when we're talking 308 00:10:59,690 --> 00:10:57,839 about those early encounters where they 309 00:11:01,670 --> 00:10:59,700 were seeing things and and you know 310 00:11:04,370 --> 00:11:01,680 Kevin Day says actually you know I reset 311 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:04,380 my system I troubleshooted the system to 312 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:06,360 check that it wasn't there and these 313 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:08,640 these uh 314 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:10,800 readings kept showing up 315 00:11:16,009 --> 00:11:13,800 I I don't buy the the the sensors are 316 00:11:17,690 --> 00:11:16,019 messing up now you know that we're in 317 00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:17,700 you know probably the 8th 9th 10th 318 00:11:21,170 --> 00:11:19,560 Generation of these sensors fair enough 319 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:21,180 you know I always like to think of these 320 00:11:24,050 --> 00:11:22,680 things like the iPhone 321 00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:24,060 um if it was iPhone one you'd expect 322 00:11:27,949 --> 00:11:26,160 bugs or iPhone 10 there are a lot less 323 00:11:29,269 --> 00:11:27,959 bugs there so if they're still 324 00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:29,279 encountering these things and they're 325 00:11:32,329 --> 00:11:30,600 still seeing them up there in the sky 326 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:32,339 with these sensors that I would say that 327 00:11:36,730 --> 00:11:34,620 it's likely not sensor error that they 328 00:11:39,710 --> 00:11:36,740 as we like to say there's a there there 329 00:11:41,389 --> 00:11:39,720 which would explain what why you know 330 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:41,399 this ndaa is having why there's 331 00:11:46,370 --> 00:11:44,160 Congressional interest factors they've 332 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:46,380 lost security of this guys and that 333 00:11:51,889 --> 00:11:48,959 that's a big issue 334 00:11:55,009 --> 00:11:51,899 what else did out for you 335 00:11:57,590 --> 00:11:55,019 so there were a few things uh at one 336 00:11:59,990 --> 00:11:57,600 point they were talking about bringing 337 00:12:02,690 --> 00:12:00,000 in outside expertise to help design and 338 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:02,700 deploy detection track capabilities uh 339 00:12:07,850 --> 00:12:05,040 by which they meant that they were 340 00:12:10,069 --> 00:12:07,860 gonna kind of recalibrate sensors 341 00:12:12,290 --> 00:12:10,079 um to match and this was the word that 342 00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:12,300 the term that they use patterns of life 343 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:13,920 and signature characterization 344 00:12:19,069 --> 00:12:16,800 development now that could just mean 345 00:12:20,870 --> 00:12:19,079 that you know a whale gives off an 346 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:20,880 electromagnetic signal therefore they 347 00:12:25,009 --> 00:12:22,740 know to identify a whale the patterns of 348 00:12:26,750 --> 00:12:25,019 life is certainly a provocative phrase 349 00:12:29,210 --> 00:12:26,760 there I think you know they could have 350 00:12:31,310 --> 00:12:29,220 said anything else uh so yeah sensors 351 00:12:34,550 --> 00:12:31,320 are being made that will 352 00:12:36,769 --> 00:12:34,560 specifically track UAP signatures then 353 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:36,779 they differentiated from drones when 354 00:12:40,490 --> 00:12:39,120 they said that so you know let's put the 355 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:40,500 Drone conversation aside because there's 356 00:12:44,750 --> 00:12:42,660 clearly something else here they also 357 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:44,760 have so just on that just regarding the 358 00:12:47,930 --> 00:12:46,740 detecting UAP signatures in a couple of 359 00:12:50,449 --> 00:12:47,940 minutes we're going to touch on an 360 00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:50,459 article by the debrief's Chris plane 361 00:12:53,629 --> 00:12:51,839 um which will be in the description for 362 00:12:55,069 --> 00:12:53,639 the show as well which touches on 363 00:12:56,750 --> 00:12:55,079 something like that which are an 364 00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:56,760 independent Think Tank because it put a 365 00:13:00,769 --> 00:12:58,800 paper forward for so that will tie in 366 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:00,779 quite nicely but yeah sorry go on yeah 367 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:02,459 absolutely 368 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:04,620 um so yeah they they emphasize the 369 00:13:08,750 --> 00:13:06,839 reports is coming soon that there will 370 00:13:11,389 --> 00:13:08,760 be hundreds and hundreds more sightings 371 00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:11,399 and and you know reports since that may 372 00:13:15,889 --> 00:13:13,680 hearing as well 373 00:13:18,290 --> 00:13:15,899 they emphasize that they're set in a 374 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:18,300 pretty clear mechanisms to identify Blue 375 00:13:23,569 --> 00:13:20,000 on Blue which basically means friendly 376 00:13:26,449 --> 00:13:23,579 uh kind of planes flying around these 377 00:13:28,610 --> 00:13:26,459 systems exist so as soon as a pilot 378 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:28,620 report something they can identify 379 00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:30,360 probably within an hour or so the 380 00:13:35,509 --> 00:13:33,120 whether it belongs to the US it is 381 00:13:38,269 --> 00:13:35,519 black technology or whether it's someone 382 00:13:39,769 --> 00:13:38,279 else or something else 383 00:13:41,569 --> 00:13:39,779 as well as that 384 00:13:43,129 --> 00:13:41,579 we had Julian Barnes mentioned in space 385 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:43,139 aliens again which have unrolled their 386 00:13:47,210 --> 00:13:45,420 eyes at just because even if you see 387 00:13:49,490 --> 00:13:47,220 something in the sky that does a 90 388 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:49,500 degree turn all we can say is that that 389 00:13:53,269 --> 00:13:51,240 was something in the sky that did a 90 390 00:13:54,650 --> 00:13:53,279 degree turn without seeing the occupants 391 00:13:57,050 --> 00:13:54,660 and where it comes from and where it's 392 00:13:58,670 --> 00:13:57,060 going we can't say that it's an ET it's 393 00:14:01,370 --> 00:13:58,680 really hard to do that I understand the 394 00:14:03,530 --> 00:14:01,380 argument that uh you know we can derive 395 00:14:05,930 --> 00:14:03,540 a lot of information from those kind of 396 00:14:07,550 --> 00:14:05,940 movements but fact is all it says is 397 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:07,560 there's a craft that can do 90 degree 398 00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:09,420 turns so 399 00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:11,279 it was 400 00:14:14,930 --> 00:14:13,200 frustrating to hear Julian talk about 401 00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:14,940 space aliens because I think it's up to 402 00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:17,040 it's up to science to come up with the 403 00:14:22,269 --> 00:14:19,920 fingerprints that will say that's E.T or 404 00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:22,279 that's life from elsewhere 405 00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:24,720 interestingly do you think he's still 406 00:14:28,970 --> 00:14:27,060 being disparaging because on the show 407 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:28,980 that there were listeners as well who 408 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:32,100 mentioned that he specifies space aliens 409 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:34,800 because in terms of immigration they 410 00:14:38,569 --> 00:14:36,600 would use the term alien to talk about 411 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:38,579 someone from another country coming in 412 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:40,320 crossing a border that they shouldn't 413 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:42,420 like illegally illegally alien illegal 414 00:14:46,009 --> 00:14:44,220 immigration that sort of thing and 415 00:14:49,069 --> 00:14:46,019 people have mentioned that that's why he 416 00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:49,079 specifies specially in so often I took 417 00:14:53,210 --> 00:14:50,820 it I think like yourself though that is 418 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,220 being more derogatory towards you know 419 00:14:57,889 --> 00:14:55,920 haha space aliens you know how 420 00:14:58,910 --> 00:14:57,899 ridiculous is this term to even have to 421 00:15:01,430 --> 00:14:58,920 say it 422 00:15:02,750 --> 00:15:01,440 um but do you get a feeling in a 423 00:15:04,910 --> 00:15:02,760 disparaging way 424 00:15:06,889 --> 00:15:04,920 yeah I think it's being disparaging and 425 00:15:09,290 --> 00:15:06,899 even even if he meant alien in that way 426 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:09,300 that's still kind of gross you know when 427 00:15:13,009 --> 00:15:11,519 we hear about those stories people come 428 00:15:14,449 --> 00:15:13,019 across the channel and kind of searching 429 00:15:16,189 --> 00:15:14,459 out for a better life because they're 430 00:15:18,290 --> 00:15:16,199 seeking Asylum because genuinely their 431 00:15:20,449 --> 00:15:18,300 lives are under threat back home 432 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,459 so kind of keep calling those people 433 00:15:25,009 --> 00:15:22,800 aliens and kind of it paints them as 434 00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:25,019 something other and it also kind of 435 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:27,240 moves the conversation on to 436 00:15:30,170 --> 00:15:28,980 you know if we are being visited by 437 00:15:33,050 --> 00:15:30,180 something else there's an immigration 438 00:15:34,750 --> 00:15:33,060 conversation to have and I I know at 439 00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:34,760 some point that comes very District name 440 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:37,040 yes 441 00:15:41,569 --> 00:15:39,660 it does and and it just puts a kind of 442 00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:41,579 tone onto the conversation I don't think 443 00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:43,199 we need right now 444 00:15:46,970 --> 00:15:45,000 just on that if anyone over the 445 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,980 Christmas period is looking for some 446 00:15:52,129 --> 00:15:48,720 watching for a movie and they haven't 447 00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:52,139 seen it District 9 is a UFO movie with 448 00:15:57,530 --> 00:15:55,500 imagine independence day but instead of 449 00:16:00,170 --> 00:15:57,540 an invasion it's an immigration issue 450 00:16:01,850 --> 00:16:00,180 and that is very very well done I'm a 451 00:16:03,410 --> 00:16:01,860 big fan of that film and I think we are 452 00:16:05,870 --> 00:16:03,420 going to see a sequel to it many many 453 00:16:07,310 --> 00:16:05,880 years later uh so they're still meant to 454 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:07,320 be coming out with that I believe 455 00:16:13,009 --> 00:16:09,779 this is all good Sci-Fi kind of just 456 00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:13,019 hangs the alien stuff on you know a 457 00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:14,639 framework that we get to discuss today 458 00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:16,620 and kind of a trap layout and District 9 459 00:16:22,189 --> 00:16:19,199 does that really really well 460 00:16:23,449 --> 00:16:22,199 uh just one of the last things just to 461 00:16:26,810 --> 00:16:23,459 mention from The Briefing is they spoke 462 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,820 about the threat kind of narrative 463 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:29,279 um as well as 464 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:31,500 them going back through Holdings and by 465 00:16:34,970 --> 00:16:33,420 Holdings they mean documents essentially 466 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:34,980 of interviews and things like that that 467 00:16:38,269 --> 00:16:36,060 they have 468 00:16:41,389 --> 00:16:38,279 um just to kind of see if there were any 469 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:41,399 programs before the dod was the dod uh 470 00:16:44,509 --> 00:16:43,380 that's very encouraging to hear it 471 00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:44,519 sounds like there's a lot to look 472 00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:46,079 through and it sounds like they've got 473 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:48,060 their work cut out for them uh just 474 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:50,040 looking through that without kind of 475 00:16:52,610 --> 00:16:51,300 saying oh this person said something 476 00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:52,620 interesting maybe we should get them in 477 00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:55,440 for a new interview so they've got the 478 00:16:59,870 --> 00:16:57,180 workout for them 479 00:17:02,329 --> 00:16:59,880 I'm feeling good after that briefing 480 00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,339 about it but I can't help but feeling 481 00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:04,799 that that briefing was to kind of calm 482 00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:06,959 the crowds that uh that are being for 483 00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,650 on that when we see some of these things 484 00:17:16,429 --> 00:17:14,640 talk about you know looking back looking 485 00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,439 at reports going back to the 40s 486 00:17:20,809 --> 00:17:18,480 incidents Casey's events potential 487 00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:20,819 evidence how much progress are we going 488 00:17:25,610 --> 00:17:23,520 to get to move this forward looking back 489 00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:25,620 and I don't mean weeks and months but 490 00:17:29,210 --> 00:17:27,480 going back years and years do you think 491 00:17:31,130 --> 00:17:29,220 a lot of this because that also includes 492 00:17:33,409 --> 00:17:31,140 looking back to see you know 493 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:33,419 organizations or small departments that 494 00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:35,640 may have been active in the 60s 70s 80s 495 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:38,700 90s you know for all we know there was 496 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:41,220 something else during a tips time in a 497 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:42,720 completely different part you know maybe 498 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:44,700 in the Air Force or something that no 499 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:46,200 one knew about that was never talked 500 00:17:49,130 --> 00:17:47,520 about that we still haven't heard of 501 00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:49,140 because that that could happen you know 502 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:51,000 in 20 years time we find that out or 503 00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:53,220 something and I just wonder 504 00:17:58,909 --> 00:17:56,460 as the progress here going to be made by 505 00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:58,919 pushing forward and investigating 506 00:18:06,770 --> 00:18:01,620 or do you think they're still 507 00:18:10,730 --> 00:18:08,450 I I think there's a benefit in Merit 508 00:18:12,590 --> 00:18:10,740 going back and clearing up as much as we 509 00:18:14,450 --> 00:18:12,600 can to be honest that we I was having a 510 00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,460 conversation about Roswell uh with 511 00:18:18,350 --> 00:18:16,320 someone the other day we were saying 512 00:18:20,570 --> 00:18:18,360 it's really hard to prove it was because 513 00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:20,580 Abby loab kind of disparaged the idea of 514 00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:22,740 Roswell and what happened and there was 515 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:24,780 a discussion around that and we were 516 00:18:27,289 --> 00:18:25,860 just saying it's really difficult to 517 00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:27,299 prove what happened so much time has 518 00:18:31,130 --> 00:18:29,400 passed so much records have kind of gone 519 00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:31,140 awry you know we didn't have digital 520 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:33,919 databases like we did now uh back then 521 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:37,200 so going back and definitively being 522 00:18:41,390 --> 00:18:38,220 able to say okay there was something 523 00:18:44,810 --> 00:18:41,400 weird about Roswell internally uh will 524 00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:44,820 be beneficial however 525 00:18:48,650 --> 00:18:46,860 like you said you can't help but wonder 526 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:48,660 if there's something else going on in 527 00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:50,760 the background and John Greenwald uh of 528 00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:52,260 The Black Vault actually got some 529 00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:54,840 reports via foia Dimension the shrekom 530 00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,799 organization uh known as so basically 531 00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,960 all along Lulu has always said there was 532 00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,880 something else going on before usap and 533 00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,039 besides atip and that something happened 534 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:07,200 between Atif and the uaptf there were a 535 00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:08,340 number of years there where it looked 536 00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:11,280 like it was blank but actually it 537 00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,020 appears mentioned by high-ranking 538 00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:15,840 officials in several documents that 539 00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:18,360 something called The Joint in Joint 540 00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:22,799 interagency Task Force j-i-a-t-f 541 00:19:25,810 --> 00:19:23,640 um 542 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:25,820 was actually looking at UAP 543 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,100 whilst uh all this was going on we don't 544 00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,720 know much about them the Pentagon said 545 00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:31,919 that it was 546 00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:34,559 an error that that wording was put on 547 00:19:37,850 --> 00:19:35,400 paper 548 00:19:39,529 --> 00:19:37,860 I don't believe them we were told 549 00:19:42,110 --> 00:19:39,539 something else existed we've now seen 550 00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,120 something else existed so I feel like 551 00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:44,880 arrow is almost a public face kind kind 552 00:19:49,010 --> 00:19:46,860 of like a blue book to a condom report 553 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,020 you know uh the the real meat is being 554 00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:51,360 looked at elsewhere and I hope that as 555 00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,860 we go down the line they can be a bit 556 00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:54,240 more transparent about that because they 557 00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,919 said the word transparency a lot during 558 00:20:00,830 --> 00:19:58,080 that briefing and quite frankly there's 559 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:00,840 work to do there for them 560 00:20:04,909 --> 00:20:02,820 and I think even if nothing else looking 561 00:20:08,029 --> 00:20:04,919 back on some of these organizations that 562 00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:08,039 pop up just gives more Credence to the 563 00:20:12,529 --> 00:20:10,679 idea of the fact that there is something 564 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,539 here worth investigating there is a 565 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,640 there there as the common phrase is at 566 00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:16,320 the minute and it is very much worth 567 00:20:20,750 --> 00:20:17,700 kind of plugging forward with any 568 00:20:22,669 --> 00:20:20,760 efforts isn't it so yeah so the the ndaa 569 00:20:25,549 --> 00:20:22,679 has passed it's going to be signed into 570 00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:25,559 law and the UAP language is I think 571 00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:27,960 going to take up a a large part of what 572 00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:30,360 gets talked about in 2020 C and going 573 00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:32,460 forward hopefully as well and show some 574 00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:34,500 real progress within the UFO Topic at a 575 00:20:39,470 --> 00:20:37,020 political level fair to say 576 00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:39,480 yeah absolutely and just before we move 577 00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,740 on I'll just I've got a few bullet 578 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,720 points to just recap the ndaa for people 579 00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:44,400 that might not know 580 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:46,140 uh basically the language elevates the 581 00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:48,840 UFO office Arrow um saying that its 582 00:20:52,730 --> 00:20:50,700 leaders will report directly to the 583 00:20:54,529 --> 00:20:52,740 deputy secretary of defense and the 584 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,539 principal deputy director of National 585 00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,640 Intelligence so they kind of LeapFrog in 586 00:21:00,529 --> 00:20:58,799 the dod but still including them 587 00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,539 a secure system will be set up for 588 00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:02,820 anyone who used to work for or now works 589 00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:05,100 in a UAP related secure or special 590 00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:07,559 Access program that includes contractors 591 00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,260 so people like Bob Lazar this is their 592 00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:12,000 moment to come forward and start using 593 00:21:15,169 --> 00:21:13,020 this system 594 00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,179 that once the information is received 595 00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,000 into that system Arrow has 72 hours to 596 00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:19,919 notify Congress and all the Committees 597 00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:21,780 who are interested so there's a tick in 598 00:21:25,789 --> 00:21:24,059 Time Bomb on this as well now those 599 00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:25,799 submitting information will be protected 600 00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:27,539 from recourse and can even take legal 601 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:29,340 action against anyone who takes action 602 00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:30,600 against them for submitting the 603 00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:33,419 information the scope of Arrow arose and 604 00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:35,880 it includes setting up a UAP response 605 00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:37,380 team and a science team which will work 606 00:21:41,149 --> 00:21:39,240 to exploit UFO materials and 607 00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:41,159 capabilities whether they just reports 608 00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:42,360 or crash retrievals they're going to be 609 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:43,860 working on Technologies to replicate 610 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:46,500 stuff we also have Arrow will be 611 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:48,360 conducting a review 612 00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:50,340 of all the U.S governments and 613 00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:52,020 intelligent communities involvement with 614 00:21:57,890 --> 00:21:55,500 UAP since 1945. that historical record 615 00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,900 we should see around September 2023 but 616 00:22:01,330 --> 00:21:58,799 you know what they're like with 617 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:01,340 deadlines the UAP office will run until 618 00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:05,700 2026 2027 and the acronym of UAP has 619 00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:07,559 changed from unidentified aerial 620 00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:10,020 phenomena to an identified anomalous 621 00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,659 phenomena the definition of it Remains 622 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:14,880 the Same but Moultrie did say that it 623 00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:17,220 kind of widens the net a bit so that 624 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,600 instead of talking about just aerial 625 00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,240 phenomena they can now talk about 626 00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:22,400 submerged and 627 00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:25,740 space-bound objects I guess so it opens 628 00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:27,780 up a little bit so a really good step 629 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:28,740 forward 630 00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:31,320 we won't really hear about those 631 00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:32,700 whistleblowers and I'm kind of doing 632 00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:39,230 but publicly and last 633 00:22:43,789 --> 00:22:41,640 Congressional officials deem it so but 634 00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,799 would you public reports every single 635 00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:45,600 year so hopefully the momentum just 636 00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:49,850 I would ask you one more thing then 637 00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:53,100 based on that if you could get one 638 00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,620 reasonably sensitive but not pushing a 639 00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:57,539 question answered at one of these things 640 00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:59,580 because you see a lot of debate on how 641 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,380 good the quality of questions that were 642 00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:04,080 actually asked were and it's debatable 643 00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:05,400 um each is going to have their own 644 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:11,810 I I would probably want to drill down on 645 00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:13,320 something because they keep saying we 646 00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:14,640 don't have anything off planet we don't 647 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,140 have anything external we don't blah 648 00:23:21,049 --> 00:23:18,480 blah we know Congress has been briefed 649 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,059 by certain people who have alluded to 650 00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:23,760 craft not made by human hands I think I 651 00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:26,220 would ask something around there just to 652 00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:27,960 kind of drill down on the detail there 653 00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,220 instead of letting them get away with 654 00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:31,440 saying no it's not ET uh you know 655 00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:33,179 emphasize well I'm not saying it's etm 656 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,380 saying that there's something there 657 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:37,200 let's open up so for example like they 658 00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:39,960 said uh we don't have any material 659 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,659 that's from an unknown source 660 00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:44,400 I would want to ask okay so what 661 00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:46,020 material do you have from a known source 662 00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:48,360 and what was the source 663 00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:50,580 it like all the kind of language games 664 00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,220 play with things if that makes sense 665 00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:56,159 yeah I think I would be asking because I 666 00:24:01,090 --> 00:23:58,740 think this would really narrow down on 667 00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:01,100 the idea of it being Chinese Russian us 668 00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:04,260 regarding the space-bound objects 669 00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:06,539 um can I two apart or one how far out 670 00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:08,039 are you tracking these objects coming 671 00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,260 from and also when you're tracking them 672 00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,659 leaving how far out can you track them 673 00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:14,400 and I just wonder you know because if 674 00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:16,740 it's China and Russia I get these things 675 00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,419 might be in orbit still you know their 676 00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,640 own drones and satellites but if these 677 00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,080 things are then flying off into the 678 00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:24,480 vastness of space you know 679 00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,220 that starts to eliminate possibilities 680 00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:28,080 so I would like to know that you know 681 00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,820 the actual tracking of it how far these 682 00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:31,679 things are found coming in from and how 683 00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,419 far they go out do they get to a point 684 00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:35,220 where I think I asked Lou a similar 685 00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:37,380 question on one of the low interviews 686 00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:40,020 Lou Elizondo and uh he couldn't really 687 00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:42,059 answer and I think that's something I 688 00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:43,080 would love to know like if you're 689 00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:45,299 tracking these things going out do you 690 00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,919 have a limitation as to how far you can 691 00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,179 track them we know they get tracked 692 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,400 underwater and people say well at the 693 00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:52,320 speed of sound are faster that's because 694 00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:54,360 of the limitations of the equipment we 695 00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:56,100 use can only track things at a certain 696 00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,900 speed something could be going 50 000 697 00:25:02,090 --> 00:25:00,240 males an hour under water but the the 698 00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:02,100 radar or sonar used to track it only 699 00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:04,679 tracked up to 2 000 mils an hour so you 700 00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:05,940 know you wouldn't actually know the true 701 00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:08,340 speed of it potentially so yeah I would 702 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,659 love to know something around the space 703 00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:12,240 Space Bound stuff that interests me you 704 00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,799 you could push that as well if you got 705 00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,600 foot some follow-ups because like we 706 00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:17,580 know for example to go back to Kevin day 707 00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,799 he said I think it was 80 000 feet that 708 00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:21,480 that radar went up to when they saw them 709 00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:23,340 coming from that ceiling 80 yeah yeah 710 00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:25,799 eight thousand yeah I wonder how far 711 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:28,380 someone like Lou could go in terms of 712 00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:30,539 you know the the hype that they attract 713 00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:32,700 at uh before it becomes a conversation 714 00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:34,200 about space and he goes nope we can't 715 00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:35,880 talk about space that's classified you 716 00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,620 know we can kind of really push up to 717 00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:39,600 that line to kind of go are they 718 00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,179 pretending they're from space or is it 719 00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,919 coming from high enough that you're 720 00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:45,600 convinced that it's from deep space you 721 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,200 know 722 00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:48,000 absolutely because no doubt you'll get 723 00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:50,100 proper I mean I don't know do you get 724 00:25:54,529 --> 00:25:51,840 hyped Geeks you know where you get the 725 00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,539 ionosphere atmosphere that as a 726 00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:55,919 aerosphere and there's all those 727 00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,419 different layers of the sphere yes 728 00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:59,340 before you go into orbit and space and 729 00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:00,900 I'm sure there would be well we've got 730 00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:02,460 technology for this level but then we've 731 00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,200 got technology for this level but then 732 00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:06,539 we have technology first orbit and then 733 00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,039 yeah but that's orbit what about further 734 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,600 afield can you get to the moon can you 735 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:11,640 go past them and do you have to so that 736 00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,320 I think for me would eliminate a lot of 737 00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:15,360 questions if you could find out that I 738 00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:16,980 mean if you want to get really weird 739 00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,840 with it but you know well we get these 740 00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:20,640 things coming from but as far as Mars 741 00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:22,500 for example not to say they're coming 742 00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:24,659 from there but that that eliminates you 743 00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,279 know we've got Russian drones coming 744 00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:29,159 from Mars because yeah 745 00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,990 um but listen let's go into uh yeah the 746 00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:37,679 red planet very good I like that yeah 747 00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:38,820 very good 748 00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:40,740 um a couple of debrief articles are 749 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,840 definitely worth uh touching on um I'll 750 00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:44,460 put the links for all of them in the 751 00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:47,220 description but we mentioned earlier the 752 00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,559 ways to detect spacecraft being looked 753 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,080 at or wasted a track detect UAP was the 754 00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:54,960 language in the ndaa and Motrin and 755 00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,179 Cobra talking about and the Christopher 756 00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:59,039 plane over at the debrief who's been on 757 00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:00,299 the podcast before always worth 758 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:02,580 listening to and reading his stuff talks 759 00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:04,440 about recently the I've got the wrong 760 00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:05,940 article up there I've got the wrong 761 00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:07,320 article up there there we go there's 762 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:09,240 three I just want to touch on one of 763 00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:10,740 them from Chris playing is headlined 764 00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,659 physics Think Tank proposes method for 765 00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,520 detecting extraterrestrial spacecraft 766 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:17,100 using gravitational waves 767 00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:18,480 um and the first part is basically an 768 00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:19,860 international team of scientists has 769 00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:22,260 written a paper outlining how Humanity 770 00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:24,360 could detect ET spacecraft using 771 00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,520 gravitational waves it was a think tank 772 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:28,799 called Applied Physics which has over 30 773 00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,659 member scientists from around the globe 774 00:27:35,090 --> 00:27:32,820 basically talking about how look looking 775 00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:35,100 at gravitational waves within the Milky 776 00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,500 Way galaxy we could find that these 777 00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:39,600 Ripples and work out whether they were 778 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,700 caused by some kind of craft moving 779 00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:43,380 through and I just wondered do you think 780 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,460 that would be useful for even 781 00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,080 potentially searching a bit closer to 782 00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:48,720 home thinking of whenever people myself 783 00:27:52,909 --> 00:27:51,539 or others speak to Avi loib he he talks 784 00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:52,919 about using telescopes and different 785 00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:54,600 equipment the potential look at these 786 00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,320 things 787 00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:57,360 our gravitational wave something that we 788 00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:59,880 could use in our own orbit and our own 789 00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:02,340 atmosphere to detect if a craft has been 790 00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:03,900 there thinking of the Tic Tac for 791 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,700 example 792 00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,440 yeah absolutely 793 00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:10,260 um the the stuff that we have now it's 794 00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:12,120 very kind of specific band of 795 00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:13,559 gravitational waves you know these 796 00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:14,940 things are very 797 00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:17,580 very hard to detect uh which is why you 798 00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:19,140 know turn the clock back 50 news it was 799 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:20,820 a Sci-Fi concept that no one believed in 800 00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:23,640 then we detected the first one 801 00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:25,740 it would be a really clever way I think 802 00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:28,740 to to track things using gravitational 803 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,940 based propulsion but also uh I I read uh 804 00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,320 I finished the second book in the 805 00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:36,600 three-party problem series 806 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,820 um or it's called the remembrance of 807 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,440 Earth's past series but I wish they 808 00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:41,520 would just change the name because we 809 00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:42,659 all call it 810 00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,100 anyway 811 00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:45,840 um but yeah in the second book they 812 00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:48,059 actually they they build a gravitational 813 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,059 uh wave transmitter then the whole idea 814 00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:53,760 being that it takes such a level of 815 00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:56,400 advancement to do that that anyone that 816 00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,480 you could potentially find to 817 00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:59,520 communicate that could read it would be 818 00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,039 a specific level of advancement as well 819 00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:03,840 therefore you could expect to have a 820 00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:05,460 decent conversation with another form of 821 00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:06,900 life out there if you could do so 822 00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:09,419 through gravitational wave 823 00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,460 it would be really interesting if that's 824 00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:14,640 what we found and we've got ahead of us 825 00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,100 something called Lisa as well which is 826 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,500 at the moment the the detector we have 827 00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:22,320 ligo is is fairly big and it's just 828 00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,779 based uh so it can only pick up things a 829 00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:26,580 bit of a certain frequency however we're 830 00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,260 building one that is a constellation of 831 00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:30,600 satellites in space around Earth 832 00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:32,820 that will orbit Earth and they will be 833 00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:34,860 able to pick up even more subtle kind of 834 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,899 gravitational wave signals so like you 835 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:38,640 say we might set that up and go hold on 836 00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:40,260 something's making a gravitational wave 837 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:43,200 signal on Earth that's weird let's see 838 00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:45,000 what that is and we might find that it's 839 00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:47,100 you know a UAP a UFO or something like 840 00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,020 that it would have been awesome to have 841 00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:51,600 a gravitational wave detector just near 842 00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:54,179 the Nimitz just to see if that's what it 843 00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,520 was given off because you would expect 844 00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,520 you know a black hole going Supernova or 845 00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:01,279 sorry something going Supernova way way 846 00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:04,919 and producing a gravitational wave the 847 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,360 reason we can detect it is because it's 848 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,440 so powerful 849 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:09,360 but everything creates gravitational 850 00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:11,820 waves you know we do is we move it's 851 00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:14,039 just that there's so much less uh 852 00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:15,419 intense than the ones we've been 853 00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,100 detected So eventually we'll be able to 854 00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:19,919 detect things that are real subtle uh 855 00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:23,279 and yeah I think once we get there if 856 00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:25,559 anything is using propulsion it will be 857 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:28,200 a real kind of nice simple sensor to 858 00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:30,380 pick something like that up 859 00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,480 Crest plane has another article uh that 860 00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:36,000 was um December 16th we record this on 861 00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:38,460 Sunday the 18th and it was the case for 862 00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,440 alien life elevated by the exciting 863 00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:42,960 first ever confirmation of two exoplanet 864 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:44,520 water worlds and this was the University 865 00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:46,980 of Montreal researchers have confirmed 866 00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:50,159 two exoplanets uh twins about 1.9 times 867 00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,260 the size of Earth potentially and 868 00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:54,899 they've been categorized as water worlds 869 00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,520 um but the James Webb Telescope will be 870 00:31:01,490 --> 00:30:58,559 focused on these and that won't be 871 00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:01,500 confirmed until sometime next year and 872 00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:03,059 again that link will be in there for 873 00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:04,500 folks to go and have a look at I always 874 00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:06,840 find this stuff really interesting for 875 00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,679 you Dan when you see us looking at 876 00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:12,059 U.S Congress and government talking 877 00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,299 about trying to detect UAP even though 878 00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:16,559 they're not necessarily looking for 879 00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:18,179 alien craft they're just trying to find 880 00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:20,760 work out what these are and that does 881 00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:23,580 include foreign adversarial technology I 882 00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,860 wonder when you see 883 00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:28,080 articles like that on the debrief do you 884 00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,059 think we're going to get 885 00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:32,399 that looking further afield to other 886 00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,679 planets being our first confirmation of 887 00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,200 other life or do you think we're going 888 00:31:40,510 --> 00:31:38,880 to still potentially get it closer to 889 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:40,520 home 890 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,980 I I kind of see that it comes at the 891 00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:45,600 same time all these things are feeding 892 00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,140 each other uh you know I think it was I 893 00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,640 want to say like five to ten years ago 894 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:52,620 we thought there were no exoplanets uh 895 00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:53,700 there was even a point where we thought 896 00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,020 they weren't even meteors but 897 00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:57,360 everything's kind of caught up now and I 898 00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:58,500 think the most recent counts of 899 00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:01,760 exoplanets were 900 00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:04,980 5227. uh with 9 000 more candidates to 901 00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:07,140 look at so the more we look the more 902 00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:08,700 planets we're finding that could support 903 00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:11,340 life whilst we're kind of come into 904 00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:13,380 terms with the idea that something else 905 00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,779 may be here visiting us 906 00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,520 all these things are going to just build 907 00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,500 this bigger puzzle picture oh this 908 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,720 bigger picture I guess 909 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:23,760 um of just us not being alone and it 910 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:26,760 being a foregone conclusion I think 911 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,740 and again just to top that one off uh 912 00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,200 Micah Hanks uh again from the debrief 913 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:33,360 wonderful article titled signals of 914 00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,700 Interest turn up and seti search aided 915 00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:37,620 by citizen scientists 916 00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,299 um and it's very they're very quick to 917 00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,279 mention within the article uh the quotes 918 00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:43,860 that that are again looking out into the 919 00:32:48,169 --> 00:32:46,440 universe for et signatures from other 920 00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,179 planets other civilizations that may 921 00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:51,360 have been broadcast that two uh signals 922 00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,520 picked up are signals of interest and 923 00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:55,740 while they're very quick to dismiss they 924 00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:58,500 are not saying these are alien and their 925 00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:01,860 origin being able to identify quickly 926 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,140 what these signals may be can help them 927 00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:06,480 in future identify other signals that 928 00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:09,539 could be 80 in origin so again seti is 929 00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:11,700 still having a role to play I know some 930 00:33:16,090 --> 00:33:13,559 folks are maybe frustrated especially at 931 00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:16,100 people like Seth shostak and his 932 00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,620 flip-flopping on the alien UFO and why 933 00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,539 he may have an agenda as to why we 934 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:23,460 should keep looking for their field I 935 00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:25,140 like to use a flip-flopping I always 936 00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:27,059 imagine him doing that kind of Magikarp 937 00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:33,590 yeah Magikarp being in the news 938 00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,340 obviously with Pokemon's 25th 939 00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:36,960 anniversary congratulations to Ash 940 00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:39,059 Ketchum finally becoming a grand master 941 00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:42,200 for any Pokemon fans out there yeah 942 00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,220 well done 943 00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:46,799 um so yeah that again I think ties in 944 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,419 nicely with those three articles in 945 00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,880 general from the debrief uh if you look 946 00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:53,039 at this this topic from a slightly you 947 00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,539 know standing back a little bit from a 948 00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:56,220 scientific point of view there's a lot 949 00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:58,260 going on a very interesting time period 950 00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,539 our technology is getting better and I 951 00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:02,880 think there's a lot to to maybe get the 952 00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:04,980 scientific Community again more and more 953 00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,080 involved to look and go actually there's 954 00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:09,119 a lot happening here and that that might 955 00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,980 actually move as nicely into another 956 00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,599 article that's featured on the debrief 957 00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,399 but was a larger story that the debrief 958 00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:16,740 just happened to cover and that was the 959 00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,619 fusion breakthrough then and so there 960 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,359 was an energy announcement from the 961 00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:23,760 Department of energy and essentially I'm 962 00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,080 going to break this down in layman's 963 00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:28,800 terms they used lots of lasers 192 to 964 00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:32,399 make more energy than most 10 in the 965 00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:35,159 first place so the idea being that you 966 00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:36,780 can use a tiny bit of energy and make 967 00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:39,839 lots of energy so could you in theory 968 00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:42,179 power things without needing batteries 969 00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,859 coal because a lot of other stuff like 970 00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,599 launching rockets for example is an easy 971 00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,820 way to explain to an idiot like me well 972 00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:49,919 we can put this rocket into space but we 973 00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:52,020 need a massive explosion underneath it 974 00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,419 first to even start to push it into the 975 00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,639 air and then we have to burn tons and 976 00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,560 millions of tons of fuel to keep it 977 00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:01,200 going and to get it into space whereas 978 00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,480 that involves a lot of fuel fossil fuel 979 00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:06,240 burning things and it's pretty pretty 980 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:07,980 old school in terms of energy creation 981 00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,619 and as with an interest in the UFO topic 982 00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:12,900 we hear about these fantastic craft and 983 00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:14,099 how they can literally make energy 984 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,440 almost out of nothing or in a much 985 00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:19,440 cleaner and safer way than we can so I 986 00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:21,780 know you though dad had a slightly not 987 00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:24,440 negative but more 988 00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:27,839 pessimistic take on this announcement 989 00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:30,180 but also that you're put more positive 990 00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,800 for the future does that make sense and 991 00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,119 I'll let you explain it yeah yeah 992 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,240 absolutely so the the idea was that 993 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:38,760 people were complaining that the amount 994 00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:42,720 of energy that went into uh the it's the 995 00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:45,900 national ignition facility uh to conduct 996 00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:47,880 this experiment was a lot more than they 997 00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,500 got out there for they didn't get out 998 00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,560 more than they put it but since kind of 999 00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:54,000 reading all that stuff you know I've 1000 00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,560 done a bunch of research and kind of 1001 00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:57,359 looked around and actually we have to 1002 00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:58,619 separate the facility from the 1003 00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:00,300 experiment the amount of energy put into 1004 00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:02,280 the experiment with lasers that were 1005 00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,260 less than one percent efficient still 1006 00:36:08,270 --> 00:36:06,540 produced more energy than they put into 1007 00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:08,280 it now 1008 00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,180 the the national ignition facility was 1009 00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,280 actually using lasers that were like 20 1010 00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,520 to 30 years old so the efficiency sucks 1011 00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,740 so if we were to do this very same 1012 00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:21,839 experiment with modern lasers that were 1013 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,220 you know we can get up to like 10 20 1014 00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,720 efficient now 1015 00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:26,760 we would have exponentially more energy 1016 00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:29,160 coming out of it so it's still a proof 1017 00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:31,020 of concept I think I said to you it's 1018 00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:32,579 kind of like we we figured out how to 1019 00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:34,440 build the iPhone battery but we haven't 1020 00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:35,940 figured out the rest of the iPhone yet 1021 00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:38,099 obviously the battery for the iPhone is 1022 00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,380 a really really important part of that 1023 00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,200 kind of device so it's incredible that 1024 00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:45,780 we've been to make that what I find 1025 00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,180 interesting is so there are two types of 1026 00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,440 fusion 1027 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:52,140 one is the one we saw this week so go on 1028 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,180 and that's is that nuclear fission and 1029 00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:55,680 nuclear fusion 1030 00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:58,500 uh so basically two techniques of get 1031 00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:02,640 infusion okay so one one of them uh is 1032 00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:04,260 what we've seen this week where you drop 1033 00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:05,940 a little palette into a bunch of lasers 1034 00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:07,980 and they fire it 1035 00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,339 um and the reaction creates plasma the 1036 00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:12,960 energy that we get comes from that 1037 00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:16,260 plasma the other one is that again you 1038 00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:18,540 kind of have a stream of hydrogen under 1039 00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,240 compression in a magnetic chamber that's 1040 00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,480 a kind of a donut shape and that 1041 00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,339 actually you don't need to to shoot 1042 00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:28,680 pallets once you start that process 1043 00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:30,359 that's a process that keeps giving 1044 00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,579 energy so people think that that 1045 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:34,079 magnetic 1046 00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:39,000 that's where it's called Uh is a lot 1047 00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,200 more promising 1048 00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,200 but it actually all of these things feed 1049 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:45,119 into one of 1050 00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:47,400 these techniques actually becoming an 1051 00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:49,980 industry within a couple of decades so 1052 00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:51,720 no matter what we're looking at we're 1053 00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:54,300 looking at plasma giving us a lot more 1054 00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:56,940 energy than we've previously had and 1055 00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:58,619 we're talking exponentially more as well 1056 00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:00,119 so like you say we could start powering 1057 00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:01,260 spaceships with them because without 1058 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,940 power and all sorts of things with them 1059 00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,160 there's so much science out there that 1060 00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,960 we don't do because we don't have the 1061 00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:09,359 energy requirements for it this kind of 1062 00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,900 stuff would help us get there so whilst 1063 00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:14,700 you know we're not going to be able to 1064 00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:17,460 take what they did this week and kind of 1065 00:38:21,710 --> 00:38:19,740 go oh yeah we can within a few years 1066 00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:21,720 build the power plant out of it there 1067 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:23,160 are a number of problems with that they 1068 00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,780 need to scale it 1069 00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:27,240 um drop in that that palette into the 1070 00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,619 lasers as well they need to be able to 1071 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,839 do that multiple times per second uh at 1072 00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:32,220 the moment they're doing it once a week 1073 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:34,500 so it's rather slow compared to where we 1074 00:38:40,849 --> 00:38:37,980 need to be but I would say that 1075 00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,859 this week they achieved ignition it's a 1076 00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:42,960 big big deal they got more energy than 1077 00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:45,660 they put in therefore I would say 40 50 1078 00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,160 years and we'll probably see an industry 1079 00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:49,500 built around this technology 1080 00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,780 something I looked at was again I was 1081 00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,280 like oh nuclear fusion but we've got 1082 00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:55,800 nuclear fission so nuclear fission is if 1083 00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:58,020 I'm correct us breaking down atoms to 1084 00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,760 create electricity so we destroyed to 1085 00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:01,619 create and then you've got nuclear 1086 00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:03,960 fusion which is combining to create 1087 00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:06,599 energy which seems I think was a nice 1088 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:08,820 little look at I mean as a species where 1089 00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:10,859 we seek to destroy to progress rather 1090 00:39:15,609 --> 00:39:12,660 than combine to grow and I thought you 1091 00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:15,619 would appreciate that one yeah um 1092 00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:17,880 yeah thinking more advanced 1093 00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,619 civilizations tend to harness what 1094 00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:21,780 they've got a lot better than we do and 1095 00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:23,880 it gives them a bigger yield an outcome 1096 00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:27,660 an output and as a society we destroy 1097 00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:29,460 lots of stuff and that helps us progress 1098 00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,780 whether you look at you know energy 1099 00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:32,640 creation whether you look at War what 1100 00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:33,900 Russia is trying to do at the minute you 1101 00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:35,400 know let's destroy lots of stuff so we 1102 00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:38,280 can progress or they you know so yeah I 1103 00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:39,540 thought that was interesting just 1104 00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:40,380 looking at the difference between 1105 00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:43,260 fission and fusion and like you say I'm 1106 00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,760 sure there will be many given the 1107 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:46,260 interest in the UFO topic looking 1108 00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:49,440 thinking well they or the governments 1109 00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:51,540 are some departments within especially 1110 00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,180 doe have the knowledge of how we can 1111 00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,160 create this energy anyway without having 1112 00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:58,800 to go through all this but 1113 00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:01,260 without that kind of big reveal then 1114 00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,940 it's going to be that slow drip feed I 1115 00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:04,560 think in terms of new energies as well 1116 00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:06,540 interesting this comes at a time when 1117 00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,000 Russia have a monopoly on gas and and 1118 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:11,040 everything and that type of fuel that 1119 00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:11,760 yeah 1120 00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,380 you know the US and maybe other 1121 00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:14,820 countries start to come out and say oh 1122 00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,440 look we can maybe start to create some 1123 00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:18,960 of our own unique types of energy and it 1124 00:40:23,569 --> 00:40:20,579 probably looks at that scenario down the 1125 00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:23,579 line where you have supernations holding 1126 00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,339 back their facilities and utilities to 1127 00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,859 thicken other nations as well so sad 1128 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,960 that's where things are done but from a 1129 00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,400 scientific point of view quite an 1130 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:33,839 exciting development 1131 00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:36,060 it's interesting as well that once again 1132 00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:38,040 it's nature you know these are processes 1133 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,440 that take place in Stars so once again 1134 00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,320 it's us copying nature us being shown by 1135 00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:45,420 Nature what to do and then figuring it 1136 00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:46,680 out which is essentially you know when 1137 00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,180 you look at stuff like fiber optics 1138 00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:49,680 there are things at the bottom of the 1139 00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,060 sea that have massively more efficient 1140 00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:52,800 fiber optics than we do and they just 1141 00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,660 use it to show colors to warn up enemies 1142 00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:57,119 and things like that so nature inspires 1143 00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:00,180 and inspires us in a lot of ways and it 1144 00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:01,980 it's not lost on me that this is you 1145 00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:03,660 know I talk about plasma a lot and the 1146 00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:05,220 possibility of intelligent plasma and 1147 00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:07,260 plasma being kind of a key to the UFO 1148 00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,720 Technologies and here we are looking at 1149 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,060 plasma uh you know there's there's 1150 00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:13,920 something in this man I can feel it in 1151 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,780 my bones 1152 00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:17,760 well on that note if you've got anything 1153 00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:19,020 else to add then because I'm going to 1154 00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,300 finish with a quote for this one 1155 00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:23,940 oh sure just I wanted to touch on the 1156 00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:25,980 fact that um Obama's production company 1157 00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,740 are adapting the story of Betty and 1158 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:30,240 Barney Hill 1159 00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:31,320 um a lot of people have been talking 1160 00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,180 about this because Obama you know he 1161 00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:35,040 came out on the James Corden show and in 1162 00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:36,420 a few other places and he's spoken about 1163 00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:39,180 UFOs very seriously very frankly you 1164 00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:40,740 know that that takes her has a lot of 1165 00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,380 weight for people and yeah so they're 1166 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,599 going to be adapting uh Higher Ground 1167 00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:47,040 production it's called they can be adapt 1168 00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:49,380 in the Betty and Barney Hill story 1169 00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:52,140 um which was just in the 1960s basically 1170 00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:53,579 one of the first kind of most famous 1171 00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,820 abduction cases we a lot of speculation 1172 00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:58,560 has been happening as to why Obama is 1173 00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,500 doing it and you know what kind of 1174 00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,640 saying well you know the briefing 1175 00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:04,260 happened and it's getting reported the 1176 00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:05,700 day after that they're making this thing 1177 00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:07,619 we actually had someone on our Discord 1178 00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:09,180 kind of say that they've read the script 1179 00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:10,920 and they were saying it means less 1180 00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,140 against their abduction story and more 1181 00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:14,640 on the kitchen sink elements of the 1182 00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:16,200 drama given Betty and Barney were a 1183 00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,460 mixed race marriage at the time when 1184 00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:19,440 that was very dangerous the script is 1185 00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:20,940 ultimately a speculation on the 1186 00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,000 isolating impacts of both ordinary and 1187 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:26,700 extraordinary but as such that person 1188 00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,320 wouldn't place too much emphasis on 1189 00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:30,000 Obama's involvement I thought that was a 1190 00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:32,940 really cool statement to be able to add 1191 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,579 I like it well Dan thank you for your 1192 00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,640 time and we may have another pod before 1193 00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:40,079 the end of the year with a bit of a 1194 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:42,180 recap not too sure timing wise how about 1195 00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:43,920 a workout yet if not it'll be very early 1196 00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,380 in the new year uh however I'd like to 1197 00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:49,020 finish off with a quote from the late 1198 00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,820 comedian Bill Hicks it would have been 1199 00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:53,520 his 55th birthday a few days ago and I 1200 00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:56,460 thought this one was apt today on acid 1201 00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:59,160 yeah yeah bill was good way ahead of his 1202 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,500 time uh today a young man on acid 1203 00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,940 realized that all matter is merely 1204 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,619 energy condensed to a slow vibration 1205 00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:06,000 that we are all one Consciousness 1206 00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,859 experiencing itself subjectively there's 1207 00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,839 no such thing as death life is only a 1208 00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:11,880 dream and we are we are the imagination 1209 00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:14,960 of ourselves here's Tom with the weather 1210 00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:18,000 that uf4 podcast is powered by Zen 1211 00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:20,099 Caster Zen Caster is one of the world's 1212 00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:21,780 leading platforms for recording and 1213 00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,359 hosting podcasts the open Beta strives 1214 00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,980 to put the power of studio quality 1215 00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,079 remote video production into the hands 1216 00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:30,480 of anyone with a story to tell features 1217 00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:32,760 include HD video recording studio 1218 00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,880 quality sound chat and footnotes all 1219 00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:37,560 running right 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